Wednesday, October 23, 2013

SysBio13 Asgn_14A_Class_18_Article_22_2013_10_24

Read Article 22  Hester, Iliescu, Summers and Coleman, "Systems biology and integrative physiological modelling," J Physiol 589.5 (2011) pp 1053–1060 1053. Post a PCRC on the Blog

8 comments:

  1. 0. Knew the basics of modeling but had no real understanding into the role of Guyton-Coleman in the development of models as a whole.

    1. What I found insightful was the description of how one validates a model...especially in terms of qualitative, quantitative by steady state, and quantitative by dynamic. I think the distinguish between the steady state and dynamic quantification is important to understand because just because a model is good in one condition does mean much if it can not hold up to perturbations.

    2. How does the Guyton-Coleman model hold up when under perturbation? Are all of the variables accurately modeled or are some less important?

    3. Guyton-Coleman 101.

    4. I found the overall description of the modeling process and the application to systems biology insightful as it provided perspective on how techniques evolved.

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  2. Frank "Edad" Block, Jr.
    SysBio13 Asgn_14A_Class_18_Article_22_2013_10_24

    0. Knew: Earlier version of Guyton-Coleman.
    1. Learned: Effect of pneumothorax on cerebral blood flow! (Important to know e.g., in a trauma patient who has a pneumothorax plus a head injury!)
    2. Pressing: How to handle data that (a) are unknown because they have never been studied, or (b) are not available in a particular simulated patient.
    3. Presentation: Run some simulations on HumMod.
    4. Thoughts: My comment on 2. above is EXACTLY the issue of OoC when some (many) organs are missing! We need to talk to Dr. Hester and pick his brain on this question.

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  3. 0. Knew: That Guyotn-Coleman provided a platform for testing physiological variables.
    1. Learned: What the interface looks like; level of detail. Outline of sources complexity in biomedical systems.
    2. Pressing: How many variables do you need to enter for a result to be significant? Analysis of probability that HumMod's result is correct (based on inputs).
    3.Presentation: Live demonstration of HumMod.
    4. I agree with Frank, HumMod faces the same challenge OoC's face: compensating for unknown data.

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  4. David Wooten
    SysBio13 Asgn_14A_Class_18_Article_22_2013_10_24

    0. Knew: The basics of Guyton-Coleman
    1. Learned: Some of the various modeling platforms for physiology
    2. Pressing ?: What are the various strengths and weaknesses of the various projects they mentioned? It seemed like only the briefest of attention was given to projects other than HumMod.
    3. Presentation: How to use HumMod
    4. Thoughts: My impression from the abstract and intro was that this would be an article on the strengths and weakness of current state-of-the-art integrative physiology models, but it felt like everything but HumMod was given extremely surface level attention. I would be interested to know what the challenges are in linking models of individual organ systems, how HumMod got around that, and a greater level of detail on what HumMod still can't accomplish.

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  5. SysBio13 Asgn_14A_Class_18_Article_22_2013_10_24
    0. Knew: idea of what HumMod could do
    1. Learned: the basics of other models, the benefits of top-down approach
    2. Pressing: does HumMod incorporate the other model pieces or built all on its own...what are the limiting factors around incorporating the various models together
    3. Presentation: a run of HumMod
    4. Thoughts: so they say that top-down is best...but then they say that HumMod is a middle-out modeling approach; this seems contradicting...
    also, why has there been a tendency toward reductionist physiology? this seems to be backward compared to the field...is it driven by the medical field?

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  7. 0 Knew: Guyton Coleman model is important; basic motives for modeling
    1 Learned: a little more of what the Guyton-Coleman model is, how HumMod has branched from it
    2 Pressing: The article keeps saying that these models are not a complete integrated model of human physiology... is HumMod? What are the shortcomings of HumMod? When we say Guyton-Coleman, do we really mean HumMod? Page 1059 says that "validating the total state of a model is only possible in trivial models," so how can we expect to validate a model of an entire human?
    3 Presentation: Shortcomings of HumMod
    4 Thoughts: I still have a lot of questions about these different models...how we use them, specifically, and what we want that they don't have. Good intro, I understand the purposes of modeling better now.

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  8. 0. Knew: Guyton-Coleman compilation of equations and variables to model physiological
    1. Learned: history/development to HM, importance of quantitative evaluation of dynamic transition, HM formatting and advantages of some features
    2. Pressing: Basic idea of top-down approach is to start from the simplest model you can come up with, keep on adding components that meet the 3-part validation, presumably increasing physiological detail/knowledge of the environment, until a model is ‘good enough’?
    3. Presentation: Acceptance by scientific community as a tool, not novelty?
    4. Thoughts: Overall this gave me a clearer idea of what Guyton-Coleman modelling is meant to do, they touched on necessity of addressing sex/age

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